gee-dub Posted May 23, 2016 Report Share Posted May 23, 2016 2 hours ago, collinb said: This one I checked out last week. But he won't budge on the price. A thrifty sort of person he is. (Made by Steel City.) https://columbus.craigslist.org/tls/5580935924.html Sent from my MotoE2(4G-LTE) using Tapatalk Like the 22124 I owned for some time, this saw at least uses cabinet mounted trunnions. These 'zipcode' saws (22124, 22114) were made for Sears by Orion that morphed into Steel City and made some fine tools for awhile. I have often said that if I had not gotten an unexpected opportunity I would still be using the 22124. The 22114's weak spot is the fence. This was glaringly obvious in the mid 2000's when the saws came out as its big brother, the 22124 came with a Bies. The 22114 had all the issues one gets with a two part front rail done on the cheap. Many folks applied a little TLC, resolved the fence rail issues and got a hard working saw with cabinet mounted trunnions, cast iron top and wings and a better than average miter gauge for a pretty decent price point. Based on your previous experience with table mounted trunnions and the price range you're shopping in . . . Since the whole saw (in your link) costs about what a good fence does, I would give it a look. JMHO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
collinb Posted May 23, 2016 Author Report Share Posted May 23, 2016 6 minutes ago, Llama said: Agreed. The mobility on the Ridgid is great. $400 is too much for that used saw though. A new one is around $550 or so... The Ridgid on CL is a very old model, and is the one most people refer to when stating the Ridgid saws are troublesome. Agreed. A new Ridgid is only a little temping. The Ridgid R4512 alignment reduced the bolt count from 3 to 2 and at least provides a rear access panel. Just now, gee-dub said: Like the 22124 I owned for some time, this saw at least uses cabinet mounted trunnions. These 'zipcode' saws (22124, 22114) were made for Sears by Orion that morphed into Steel City and made some fine tools for awhile. I have often said that if I had not gotten an unexpected opportunity I would still be using the 22124. The 22114's weak spot is the fence. This was glaringly obvious in the mid 2000's when the saws came out as its big brother, the 22124 came with a Bies. The 22114 had all the issues one gets with a two part front rail done on the cheap. Many folks applied a little TLC and got a hard working saw with cabinet mounted trunnions, cast iron top and wings, a better than average miter gauge, etc. all for a pretty decent price point. Since the whole saw (in your link) costs about what a good fence does, I would give it a look. And since this one has no fence that's not a problem. At least not the same problem. What it's boiling down to is whether I can get long without a riving knife or without a higher-end fence. What I am trying to avoid is purchasing a newer version of what I sold. Not much sense in that. I'm getting closer in my mind to shelling out for this one, start with an average fence, and have resolved that real issue of proper blade alignment. I can always add a knife later and begin with a simple and inexpensive splitter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pwk5017 Posted May 23, 2016 Report Share Posted May 23, 2016 Why have we not voted unanimously on the grizzly with unifence yet!?!? Buy a $30 sharkguard for it, and you will only miss a riving knife when you do a nonthrough cut. 3hp clone of a unisaw with what I would consider the best OEM fence ever made, and it has a mobile base to make loading and unloading a breeze. Oh, did I forget to mention its freaking $400!?!? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rodger. Posted May 23, 2016 Report Share Posted May 23, 2016 i cant see the link for the 3650. i can tell you from experince, that the 3650 is an awesome table saw. i have had one for over 10 years, and it still works great. i have been looking to upgrade for a while, but the ridgid does more than everything i throw at it, so i can't justify replacing it. if you are looking at the ridgid, they did have an issue for a while with arbors that were too short. make sure you check the arbor. it is well documented at ridgidforum.com. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
collinb Posted May 23, 2016 Author Report Share Posted May 23, 2016 1 minute ago, Pwk5017 said: Why have we not voted unanimously on the grizzly with unifence yet!?!? Buy a $30 sharkguard for it, and you will only miss a riving knife when you do a nonthrough cut. 3hp clone of a unisaw with what I would consider the best OEM fence ever made, and it has a mobile base to make loading and unloading a breeze. Oh, did I forget to mention its freaking $400!?!? Probably because of the (apparently) 220V feature. The price certainly is right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robby W Posted May 23, 2016 Report Share Posted May 23, 2016 What Pwk5017 said. That looks like the 1023 saw, which won Best Value back in the day. It has a good reputation. Unfenced is also a good fence - repeatable and accurate. Add a Shark splitter and you have a very nice setup. 4 minutes ago, collinb said: Probably because of the (apparently) 220V feature. The price certainly is right. 220 volt wiring is as easy as 110 volt wiring, just with a double breaker. Don't let that stop you. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Wright Posted May 23, 2016 Report Share Posted May 23, 2016 The grizzly listing on craigslist is no longer there, so it is probably sold. You can't wait too long to jump on a great deal. The last tool I sold on craigslist was a 6" delta jointer for $350 and it was gone in two hours Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
collinb Posted May 23, 2016 Author Report Share Posted May 23, 2016 Just now, Andy Wright said: The grizzly listing on craigslist is no longer there, so it is probably sold. You can't wait too long to jump on a great deal. The last tool I sold on craigslist was a 6" delta jointer for $350 and it was gone in two hours And it was a good 2 hours drive away. Oh well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chestnut Posted May 23, 2016 Report Share Posted May 23, 2016 56 minutes ago, collinb said: And it was a good 2 hours drive away. Oh well. It was worth a 2 hour drive and a case of the guys favorite beer to help you load it. I'd lurk craig's list until you find another something like that. The rigid's aren't bad saws but i personally feel that $350 is too much I'd go at most half of what new retail is. Those saws are all over the place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gee-dub Posted May 23, 2016 Report Share Posted May 23, 2016 I can empathize with your challenges. Tablesaws come in tiers of a sort. The things you are trying to get away from exist at the tier you are shopping in, there's no real escaping that. This just means you will have to do a lot of shopping and probably just miss a few deals but, endeavor to press on. Riving knives have only recently returned to western saws so finding a "good" used saw with one will be a rare find (but, not impossible with diligence and patience). Finding a $300 fence on a saw that costs $300 is unrealistic as I'm sure you are discovering. You're getting a good feel for what is generally available in the used market at your price-point. I would just keep looking around but, be prepared to move quickly if you find that perfect fit. As someone else mentioned, great deals don't set around long. They're a matter of luck to some degree and luck favors the prepared ;-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pwk5017 Posted May 23, 2016 Report Share Posted May 23, 2016 I havent used the ridgids, but I have used the craftsman made by steel city that you linked. My uncle owns it. The OEM fence is pretty crappy. Other than that, the saw isnt too bad. Personally, I would spend my tree fiddy on something like this https://pittsburgh.craigslist.org/tls/5588017321.html It's all in the fence, baby. Im searching your area now and you didnt like this one? Cremona has this saw, i think https://columbus.craigslist.org/tls/5600199160.html Bies clone to outfit your saw you buy with a crap fence https://columbus.craigslist.org/tls/5600048787.html Above fence with this unisaw might do the ticket. 110v and quality https://columbus.craigslist.org/tld/5562380323.html Thats 5 mins doing some homework in your area. Its your money, but I would buy that fence ASAP. I sold the head off my delta bies for $125-150 without the rails. Even if you dont use it, you should be able to sell it; however, the alternative is you have a good fence(i assume this is like the jet/shopfox/grizzly fences?) to go on whatever saw you buy. It's your money and time though.Right this very second you have a few good verging on great scenarios. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
collinb Posted May 23, 2016 Author Report Share Posted May 23, 2016 18 minutes ago, Pwk5017 said: I havent used the ridgids, but I have used the craftsman made by steel city that you linked. My uncle owns it. The OEM fence is pretty crappy. Other than that, the saw isnt too bad. Personally, I would spend my tree fiddy on something like this https://pittsburgh.craigslist.org/tls/5588017321.html It's all in the fence, baby. Im searching your area now and you didnt like this one? Cremona has this saw, i think https://columbus.craigslist.org/tls/5600199160.html Bies clone to outfit your saw you buy with a crap fence https://columbus.craigslist.org/tls/5600048787.html Above fence with this unisaw might do the ticket. 110v and quality https://columbus.craigslist.org/tld/5562380323.html Thats 5 mins doing some homework in your area. Its your money, but I would buy that fence ASAP. I sold the head off my delta bies for $125-150 without the rails. Even if you dont use it, you should be able to sell it; however, the alternative is you have a good fence(i assume this is like the jet/shopfox/grizzly fences?) to go on whatever saw you buy. It's your money and time though.Right this very second you have a few good verging on great scenarios. That fence was just posted. <2 hours ago. Good find. The R4511 is also a recent post. That model was subject to a recall http://www.finewoodworking.com/tool-guide/product-finder/ridgid-r4511-hybrid-tablesaw.aspx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
collinb Posted May 23, 2016 Author Report Share Posted May 23, 2016 Turns out his saw was outside the recall window. Chatting now ... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bleedinblue Posted May 23, 2016 Report Share Posted May 23, 2016 Since the tilt wheel is on the left side, does that mean it's a right tilt blade? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pwk5017 Posted May 23, 2016 Report Share Posted May 23, 2016 1 hour ago, collinb said: That fence was just posted. <2 hours ago. Good find. The R4511 is also a recent post. That model was subject to a recall http://www.finewoodworking.com/tool-guide/product-finder/ridgid-r4511-hybrid-tablesaw.aspx Im just trying to make dreams come true is all. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Posted May 24, 2016 Report Share Posted May 24, 2016 Grab that fence now. And put it on a cabinet saw. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
collinb Posted May 24, 2016 Author Report Share Posted May 24, 2016 Got the R4511 last evening. Had I not known of it (thanks Seller has developed back problems so I had to disassemble it myself. Hauling that marble from his basement to the trunk of my car was not fun. The center section was definitely over 100 lbs. I wonder if it was assembling the saw that gave him back problems. The whole thing together weighs 452 lbs, so you understand the issue. Had #2 son come with his truck to pick up the base to take home. Time tomorrow for reassembly. Maybe. Otherwise after the holiday. The stock fence is pretty mediocre. Nothing a couple of nylon pads wouldn't fix. :-) 17 hours ago, bleedinblue said: Since the tilt wheel is on the left side, does that mean it's a right tilt blade? Left 9 hours ago, Patrick said: Grab that fence now. And put it on a cabinet saw. 4:30 today is the plan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
collinb Posted May 25, 2016 Author Report Share Posted May 25, 2016 If anyone besides me has the R4511 here is some valuable info: http://www.sawmillcreek.org/showthread.php?175249-Ridgid-R4511-granite-top-table-saw-parts For owners of Ridgid R4511 granite top table saws that didn’t already know, most of the parts are the same as the Craftsman granite top saw model 221160. They have identical parts diagrams (with the exception of the lower case) with different part numbers. I have found that in most cases the Craftsman parts cost a little less than Ridgid. The Craftsman also has a riving knife, part number 31096.00 for $20.49 that fits the Ridgid. If you need to replace the six-rib motor to arbor belt (about $18.00 and a fifteen day wait) check out HCI Supply in Jackson TN. 1-800-748-8519. They sell a Pix 300J6 which is the same belt for $5.95 with same day shipping. *** Prices have gone up a little since this post. http://www.searspartsdirect.com/part-number/31096.00/0009/351.html?pathTaken=partSearch&q=31096.00 $22.49 http://hcisupplystore.com/index.php?option=com_virtuemart&view=productdetails&virtuemart_product_id=24856&virtuemart_category_id=8314 $6.65 for the belt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtnhighlander Posted May 26, 2016 Report Share Posted May 26, 2016 Good post, Collin. HCI is a great source for belts, and happens to be in my figurative back yard! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coop Posted May 26, 2016 Report Share Posted May 26, 2016 Collin, cool move! Congrats on the new ts! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JosephThomas Posted May 26, 2016 Report Share Posted May 26, 2016 Cool, hope you are able to get moving on some projects with that new saw! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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