Eric. Posted September 16, 2016 Report Share Posted September 16, 2016 I've used the Veritas saws quite a bit at the woodworking shows. Since I have to spend the whole weekend there I've killed lots of time at their booth. They're great saws and cut very nicely, especially considering the price. But I think they're ugly and I hate the composite spines. I need a brass back, sorry. Call me shallow. But all in all, they're tough to beat in the value department. If you can get over the hideous appearance I'm sure you'll love them. I'm a LN man myself. Classic. A little more expensive than the Veritas but not by much. They're a great value, too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isaac Posted September 16, 2016 Report Share Posted September 16, 2016 4 minutes ago, Eric. said: I've used the Veritas saws quite a bit at the woodworking shows. Since I have to spend the whole weekend there I've killed lots of time at their booth. They're great saws and cut very nicely, especially considering the price. But I think they're ugly and I hate the composite spines. I need a brass back, sorry. Call me shallow. But all in all, they're tough to beat in the value department. If you can get over the hideous appearance I'm sure you'll love them. I'm a LN man myself. Classic. A little more expensive than the Veritas but not by much. They're a great value, too. Yeah I guess the price is all relative. On one hand, the LN is twice as much, on the other hand, it is only $60 difference. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric. Posted September 16, 2016 Report Share Posted September 16, 2016 12 minutes ago, Isaac Gaetz said: Yeah I guess the price is all relative. On one hand, the LN is twice as much, on the other hand, it is only $60 difference. $125 is not twice as much as $69. I'd say the performance difference between the two is negligible, but the LN is such a better looking saw...and I personally find it more comfortable...and that's worth something too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prov163 Posted September 16, 2016 Author Report Share Posted September 16, 2016 Yeah, the looks and spine construction of the Veritas bugs me too. I'm sure it's a great saw, but it's ugly. I really like most Lee Valley tools but this one jus leaves me blah. I have an LN carcass saw and love the feel, weight and looks. For the small difference in price it's worth it to me. Still, tapered or not - hmmm. I guess if I buy a standard dovetail saw and learn to use it I can always buy a tapered later if I want. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Immortan D Posted September 16, 2016 Report Share Posted September 16, 2016 Do you guys wax your hand saw blades? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric. Posted September 16, 2016 Report Share Posted September 16, 2016 What I'd really like is a thin plate dovetail saw for doing tiny pins and tails. But I already built my tool cabinet and don't have any more space so I can't buy one. I said it before and I'll say it again...I think the tapered saw is a gimmick. What's the purported advantage anyway? Just so you don't cut past your baseline on the side of the board you can't see? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prov163 Posted September 16, 2016 Author Report Share Posted September 16, 2016 2 minutes ago, Eric. said: I said it before and I'll say it again...I think the tapered saw is a gimmick. What's the purported advantage anyway? Just so you don't cut past your baseline on the side of the board you can't see? Eric, that's exactly the point. I watched the video with Thomas Lie-Nielsen and thought it was a great idea for a beginner. It does work but I think it can also become a crutch. I think, and correct me if I'm wrong, that sawing mechanics includes the ability to saw not only straight but plumb. The tapered saw takes some of the plumb out of the equation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric. Posted September 16, 2016 Report Share Posted September 16, 2016 Yeah once you cut enough pins and tails you just kind of level out naturally and don't go past your baseline anyway. I'll stick with my original assessment...no worse...no better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coop Posted September 16, 2016 Report Share Posted September 16, 2016 36 minutes ago, Immortan D said: Do you guys wax your hand saw blades? I've never heard of doing so. To prevent rust or better performance? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Immortan D Posted September 16, 2016 Report Share Posted September 16, 2016 3 minutes ago, K Cooper said: I've never heard of doing so. To prevent rust or better performance? For lubrication. I do it on my rip saw, seems to work better. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brendon_t Posted September 16, 2016 Report Share Posted September 16, 2016 I do every so often for both. Rust prevention and less chatter in the plate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JosephThomas Posted September 16, 2016 Report Share Posted September 16, 2016 1 hour ago, Eric. said: But I think they're ugly and I hate the composite spines. I need a brass back, sorry. You're shallow. 1 hour ago, Eric. said: I personally find it more comfortable...and that's worth something too. Sure it is. I just didn't bother touching a LN, so the Veritas is the best I've ever used And yeah, the LN is a pretty good deal too. But I used the $60 to help buy something else... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
estesbubba Posted September 16, 2016 Report Share Posted September 16, 2016 1 hour ago, Eric. said: What I'd really like is a thin plate dovetail saw for doing tiny pins and tails. But I already built my tool cabinet and don't have any more space so I can't buy one. Whatever...you know you're going to fill a second tool cabinet within two years so might as well treat yourself now! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TerryMcK Posted September 16, 2016 Report Share Posted September 16, 2016 3 hours ago, Immortan D said: Do you guys wax your hand saw blades? Yes. I use beeswax in solid cakes or just regular candle wax. On piercing saws I use a product called Procut. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtnhighlander Posted September 16, 2016 Report Share Posted September 16, 2016 I've never heard of doing so. To prevent rust or better performance? To remove unwanted fibers from those hard to reach 'delicate' areas... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Immortan D Posted September 16, 2016 Report Share Posted September 16, 2016 8 hours ago, TerryMcK said: Yes. I use beeswax in solid cakes or just regular candle wax. On piercing saws I use a product called Procut. I use either too. My old man taught me to use white soap bars, the laundry type, but it doesn't really work that good, at least with modern soap. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drzaius Posted September 16, 2016 Report Share Posted September 16, 2016 I keep a tea candle (paraffin) in my apron & it works very well for saws, jointer & planer beds, hand planes etc. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drzaius Posted September 16, 2016 Report Share Posted September 16, 2016 I like the tea candles because they are small & round & only cost about a dime. One will last for months. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prov163 Posted September 16, 2016 Author Report Share Posted September 16, 2016 I have one of those japanese oil blotters and use Camellia oil like I do on my planes and chisels. I have a bunch of beeswax in small blocks. Is that better? Why? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Immortan D Posted September 16, 2016 Report Share Posted September 16, 2016 1 hour ago, prov163 said: I have one of those japanese oil blotters and use Camellia oil like I do on my planes and chisels. I have a bunch of beeswax in small blocks. Is that better? Why? I use oil to prevent rust on my planes. I don't use it on my Japanese saws though. The wax gets applied immediately before use, to lubricate the saw or the sole of the plane. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xxdabroxx Posted September 16, 2016 Report Share Posted September 16, 2016 I have a small catfood can that I painted and has a rolled up t-shirt in it with some mineral oil. Use if for planes, saws, chisels, etc. Anything that is raw steel and I touch or that needs lube during cuts. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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