Chestnut Posted February 7, 2016 Report Share Posted February 7, 2016 2 hours ago, drzaius said: Sorry, I've got to disagree with you here. To get LEDs with a CRI of over 90 you've got to spend lots of money. Most LED fixtures you will find at Lowes, HD, Costco etc will have a CRI in the 70 - 80 range or worse. You can get fluorescents (Philips F32T8TL950) that have a CRI of 98. Oh i probably agree with you that the box store LED's aren't the best but What mIke found sounds pretty damn good. To be fair I'm probably not comparing apples to apples. I have cheap CFLs 2900k in my shop so the nicer LED bench light probably gives the LED's an unfair bias. I really should get a slightly cooler temperature but anything beyond 4000k in CFL gives me headaches. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
estesbubba Posted February 7, 2016 Report Share Posted February 7, 2016 Well looks like they changed their description on the website. I bought mine in store over a year ago and the boxes had High Output on them and so did the display description. The price for the standard output T8 fixtures are $40. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drzaius Posted February 7, 2016 Report Share Posted February 7, 2016 19 minutes ago, Chestnut said: Oh i probably agree with you that the box store LED's aren't the best but What mIke found sounds pretty damn good. To be fair I'm probably not comparing apples to apples. I have cheap CFLs 2900k in my shop so the nicer LED bench light probably gives the LED's an unfair bias. I really should get a slightly cooler temperature but anything beyond 4000k in CFL gives me headaches. Just to clarify: CRI & color temperature are separate ratings. A light source, be it LED or fluorescent can be a wide range, 3000K, 3500K, 4000K, 5000K etc, & still have a high CRI. If your concerned with good color fidelity, then it's high CRI you need. Color temperature is more a matter of personal taste. 5000K is very close to the light we get from a clear sky. For example, I have 5000K fluorescents in my shop. When I open the north facing OH door on a clear day, there is no appreciable change is the quality of light. But 5000K is pretty white & a lot of people prefer something warmer. in my home I like 3000 - 3500K. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chestnut Posted February 7, 2016 Report Share Posted February 7, 2016 1 minute ago, drzaius said: Just to clarify: CRI & color temperature are separate ratings. I was reading something on the internet that was correlating Florescent color temps and CRI. I don't generally believe everything i read on the internet so it could have been bad information. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drzaius Posted February 7, 2016 Report Share Posted February 7, 2016 I'm no expert, but am a bit of a lighting junkie & I need to keep on top of it for work. Sorry Matt if this has turned into a bit of a hijack. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
estesbubba Posted February 7, 2016 Report Share Posted February 7, 2016 A friend put up a building like mine and also ran Ethernet cable to his. He is a network guy and like you read said lightning can fry the cable. He said if it happens he'll go with wireless point to point like I did for mine which works good. http://www.engeniustech.com/products/outdoor-access-points-client-bridges/ap-bridges-outdoor/ens500.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-MattK- Posted February 7, 2016 Author Report Share Posted February 7, 2016 those look very cool! Of course our internet connection is on the far side of the house - and it was just easier to just run cables and fiber. I ended up with 2 of these: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B003CFATKQ?psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=oh_aui_search_detailpage and one of these: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B005NXNPV0?psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=oh_aui_search_detailpage so $190 and I'm confident I have good connectivity! I'm going to have a wireless access point out there, too (you put one in, right?). And a big screen TV, of course! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
estesbubba Posted February 7, 2016 Report Share Posted February 7, 2016 I used this for the AP http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B006GTDAE2?psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=oh_aui_search_detailpage Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-MattK- Posted February 7, 2016 Author Report Share Posted February 7, 2016 I have an Asus router in the house - I'm going to upgrade that one and take the hand-me-down for the shop. It has an AP mode - never had a two access point set-up but I'm going to give it a go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
estesbubba Posted February 8, 2016 Report Share Posted February 8, 2016 Give both the same SSID, auth mode, user, and pass and your devices will switch between the two automatically. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chestnut Posted February 8, 2016 Report Share Posted February 8, 2016 1 hour ago, estesbubba said: Give both the same SSID, auth mode, user, and pass and your devices will switch between the two automatically. Make sure that the APs take a different IP though or you'll have trouble. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
estesbubba Posted February 9, 2016 Report Share Posted February 9, 2016 It's sunny out there - where are the workers? They need to get back at it so we can talk about real shop things instead of lights and networking. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-MattK- Posted February 10, 2016 Author Report Share Posted February 10, 2016 5 hours ago, estesbubba said: It's sunny out there - where are the workers? They need to get back at it so we can talk about real shop things instead of lights and networking. Monday was a panel replacement and roofing going on. They had a crane day on another site today I believe. Expecting windows and door to be installed tomorrow. Power to the shop, too, I think. And slab on Thursday I believe. I'm supervising from the Florida Keys since the kids are off this week. Shhh, don't tell! Nice to see all that snow and not have to deal with it! Got the estimate from the electrician to wire up the shop. I won't even say the number because it's SO ridiculous. So he's going to finish the panel and then I'll find someone else. It will slow me down a bit but I think I'll save a few thousand bucks. My town won't let a homeowner run electrical, so I've gotta find someone to do it no matter what. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JosephThomas Posted February 10, 2016 Report Share Posted February 10, 2016 12 minutes ago, -MattK- said: My town won't let a homeowner run electrical, so I've gotta find someone to do it no matter what. Oh what a joy it must be to deal those kind of laws... >_< Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slagathor Posted February 10, 2016 Report Share Posted February 10, 2016 Matt K - Very nice shop, very jealous! On the topic of one of the things I deal with in life - lightning and wiring... Not to freak you out, but generally a 'no no' to have communications wire and fiber in the same conduit in my business. An unfortunate (and fun) fact is that the telco & cable connections into your house have very good grounding, and in many, many cases are beat the building ground system in terms of low resistance. Equally unfortunate is that they cannot handle a lot of current. Just make sure that anything connected to the RG6 & Cat5 has isolation on either side of the run and is physically separate from the fiber. Main concern would be the RG6 taking load from a nearby strike and scorching everything at one of the bends in the conduit. Just run it through some sort of isolation before it enters the conduit - usually that will give a lightning hit something cheap to blow up. Main concern would be from the shop back into the house. And this is a fairly nerdy, nit-picky item. You have very low risk here, and a well thought out setup as is. Awesome work, and look forward to seeing this finished. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-MattK- Posted February 10, 2016 Author Report Share Posted February 10, 2016 Thanks for the feedback, man. So it sounds like even my belt and braces approach was still flawed, huh? Shoot! Luckily we left another string in the conduit. when you say "some sort of isolation" what does that mean? Is there something special I should buy? Does it need to be grounded? Can I just use the ground from my electrical system or does it need to be a special dedicated ground? thanks man! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slagathor Posted February 10, 2016 Report Share Posted February 10, 2016 Not a flawed approach at all - just different versions of belt, suspenders, etc... Frankly, anything that would fry the cabling would probably be smoking quite a few other things in the shop too... RG6 Protector Something like that will work if you are just passing regular cable TV/internet over it (pass up to 1 GHz). If you run MoCa over it you would need to pass up to 1.5 GHz - but no reason to with the fiber in place. You would just tie the protector into the earth connection for the electrical in the shop - should be easy. Again, you would be at super low risk here with everything you've already done. You have already out nerded 99% of the population by running the fiber and thinking about it... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drzaius Posted February 10, 2016 Report Share Posted February 10, 2016 Might be worth checking your local codes on the communication cables. Here (Alberta) a primary protector is required only if the cables are run above ground. Primary protectors can be quite expensive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chestnut Posted February 16, 2016 Report Share Posted February 16, 2016 Is your slab poured now? It looks like the sill plate is installed on the walk through door but i might be seeing things? Did you get your electrical sorted out? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
estesbubba Posted February 16, 2016 Report Share Posted February 16, 2016 Looks like you need a kayak to get to your shop right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-MattK- Posted February 16, 2016 Author Report Share Posted February 16, 2016 no slab yet - we can't find a good window of time temperature-wise to do it. There's a bit of frost inside the garage door that has the concrete guy worried. So we're waiting on either really good weather or electrical and insulation so we can run heating out there. Of course it's 54 today! (and raining it's balls off outside) I'm speaking with a few other electricians this week, I hope to have it figured out soon. 2 minutes ago, estesbubba said: Looks like you need a kayak to get to your shop right now. It's awful. We have a gravel drive and the pitch is all screwed up after all the work we've had done... can't wait for the ground to thaw so we can get an asphalt drive installed out there. I'll move the camera inside when things get exciting - not much to share at the moment! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chestnut Posted February 16, 2016 Report Share Posted February 16, 2016 Asphalt driveway that's something i don't ever see here. It's either concrete or gravel. But honestly something impervious is better than gravel any time i guess. I suppose your going to make sure to correct the slope issue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-MattK- Posted February 16, 2016 Author Report Share Posted February 16, 2016 1 minute ago, Chestnut said: Asphalt driveway that's something i don't ever see here. It's either concrete or gravel. But honestly something impervious is better than gravel any time i guess. I suppose your going to make sure to correct the slope issue. yeah, we're going to fix the pitch and maybe put in another dry well - I think it'll be the 4th on our property! We're at the bottom of a hill so have some water issues. Basement is really well waterproofed with a few sump pumps, so we seem ok there (touch wood!) This is our first house with a gravel drive - I can't stand it in the winter. I don't run my snowblower on it because I've heard nightmares of the thing picking up gravel and putting it through a window... so it gets plowed and then turns into an ice rink. Not a lot of concrete drives in our town - the common thing seems to be a strip of Belgian block at the beginning of the drive and then asphalt. Some folks have paver drives, but probably more on the really expensive places. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coop Posted February 17, 2016 Report Share Posted February 17, 2016 Matt, what is a dry well? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post wtnhighlander Posted February 17, 2016 Popular Post Report Share Posted February 17, 2016 Matt, what is a dry well? ....must.....refrain....from.....obvious......remark...... nope, can't do it. Ken, its a hole in the ground, with no water in it. *rimshot* ? 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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