fishywood Posted February 20, 2016 Author Report Share Posted February 20, 2016 https://norfolk.craigslist.org/tls/5455998832.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knotscott Posted February 21, 2016 Report Share Posted February 21, 2016 Definitely....buy it if it checks out! Nice Vega fence, solid contractor saw. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wocket Posted August 28, 2016 Report Share Posted August 28, 2016 Hi guys i'm sorry to piggyback on this topic if that is a no no however I am similarly trying to get into woodworking and am trying to start with a CL buy in the Cleveland Ohio area. Few questions for you guys is direct drive a bad idea?... belt drive better (at least considering long term use and possibilities?) Are there any brands to avoid? How hard is it to clean up a rusty top? I've found mostly older Craftsman saws around here in the mid 200 range and don't mind a stationary saw but I see there is a wide variety of Craftsman saws? Sorry if this is the wrong place to post, somebody please let me know if I should start up a new topic or remove my post. Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brendon_t Posted August 28, 2016 Report Share Posted August 28, 2016 Hey wocket. Direct drive isn't exactly a bad idea. If that's all you can find, then that's it. Most direct drive saws are considered portable jobs site saws with crap fences and tiny usually aluminum tables. Not great for building furniture. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wocket Posted August 28, 2016 Report Share Posted August 28, 2016 Thanks Brendon_t yea I'm hoping to start with building a pretty basic farmhouse table (sorry if that's pretty cliche) for my home and expanding from there. So I'm thinking I need to look for something with a decent cast iron table even if the fence sucks because that can be upgraded if need be with something like a Biesemeyer fence like they had said earlier. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brendon_t Posted August 28, 2016 Report Share Posted August 28, 2016 I would agree to start with a good base saw. Cast top. Rust is easy enough to busy off. I would give a good motorhighest priority, then flat table, then good fence but their all on there. A wonky fence will make you miserable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chet Posted August 28, 2016 Report Share Posted August 28, 2016 Like Brendon said the direct drives are usually job site saw (small). You might want to up your search to a contractor saw. Most of them have cast iron tops and decent fences. A little more heavy duty but still not a cabinet say. Delta used to make a nice contractor saw, I think their quality has dropped off here recently but you might be able to locate a good used on from their good old days on CL. If you can find one with their unifence you will be happy. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wocket Posted August 28, 2016 Report Share Posted August 28, 2016 http://cleveland.craigslist.org/tls/5743620985.html Decent deal for 200? Assuming fence probably needs replaced? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric. Posted August 28, 2016 Report Share Posted August 28, 2016 LOL @ 3HP...not a chance. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tpt life Posted August 28, 2016 Report Share Posted August 28, 2016 Don't just poo poo a guy looking to make a serious call. What's your estimate? Is it legitimately 1.75 HP? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric. Posted August 28, 2016 Report Share Posted August 28, 2016 Who knows? Looks old and rickety. Only way to find out is to take some 8/4 hard maple out there and make some cuts. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mat60 Posted August 28, 2016 Report Share Posted August 28, 2016 14 minutes ago, C Shaffer said: Don't just poo poo a guy looking to make a serious call. What's your estimate? Is it legitimately 1.75 HP? Do you think $200 is a fair price if the saw is all good guys ? I was thinking $150 but that may be to low. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wocket Posted August 28, 2016 Report Share Posted August 28, 2016 Needless to say Im still lookin ha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brendon_t Posted August 29, 2016 Report Share Posted August 29, 2016 I know the cl used market pretty well in my area. Your area may be different but I think 200 is too much for that saw being that old. My area, that may sell at $100. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coop Posted August 29, 2016 Report Share Posted August 29, 2016 Wouldn't a 3 hp motor require 240 v.? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drzaius Posted August 29, 2016 Report Share Posted August 29, 2016 41 minutes ago, K Cooper said: Wouldn't a 3 hp motor require 240 v.? Theoretically, it could be 120, but it would be around 25A. I've never seen a 3 HP, 120V motor. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wocket Posted August 29, 2016 Report Share Posted August 29, 2016 Okay so here are a few (maybe prices are just high near me?) Delta 36-600 looks well cared for and decent fence http://cleveland.craigslist.org/tls/5755476829.html I'd offer $150, 40 min drive (NOTE I do not currently have a 220 in my garage) Powermatic (can't tell how whole saw looks) http://cleveland.craigslist.org/tls/5741126691.html Offer 400? 30 min. drive Another Delta 36-600 in good shape with roller base, basic fence http://cleveland.craigslist.org/tls/5716958228.html Offer 220? Hour drive Craftsman 3 HP Exact I Rip with Decent fence? http://youngstown.craigslist.org/tls/5754449707.html Offer 150? 1.5 hour drive Mao Shan 1.5 HP not too exciting but seems priced well? http://akroncanton.craigslist.org/tls/5733863518.html Take the 65 dollar price tag? 1 Hour drive Thanks guys for the input, be brutally honest as you have been I appreciate it more than BS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodenskye Posted August 29, 2016 Report Share Posted August 29, 2016 I would choose the Powermatic first. The price is a bit high in my opinion, but is a respected name. I just don't like the wings more than anything. Next would be the deltas, however if something happens, getting parts may be an issue. I personally wouldn't touch the craftsman or the last one. if you are in a position to save some money, the Rigid from Home Depot is a good saw. Other people don't like grizzly, but their hybrid saw is a good saw to start with. I believe it is around $750, looks like a cabinet saw, but the motor will be closely related to the Rigid. I have a Porter Cable saw and I didn't like the fence, so I upgraded to a vega fence. Looking back with the price of the saw and the fence would have been almost the cost of the grizzly. I should have saved for a cabinet saw, so I never need to upgrade. So to wrap up this long response, ask yourself the following question: 1) do you think this is something you will stick with long term? If the answer is yes, at a minimum, buy the grizzly or save for a PM1000 or the 1.75 hp SawStop. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wocket Posted August 30, 2016 Report Share Posted August 30, 2016 4 hours ago, Woodenskye said: I would choose the Powermatic first. The price is a bit high in my opinion, but is a respected name. I just don't like the wings more than anything. Next would be the deltas, however if something happens, getting parts may be an issue. I personally wouldn't touch the craftsman or the last one. if you are in a position to save some money, the Rigid from Home Depot is a good saw. Other people don't like grizzly, but their hybrid saw is a good saw to start with. I believe it is around $750, looks like a cabinet saw, but the motor will be closely related to the Rigid. I have a Porter Cable saw and I didn't like the fence, so I upgraded to a vega fence. Looking back with the price of the saw and the fence would have been almost the cost of the grizzly. I should have saved for a cabinet saw, so I never need to upgrade. So to wrap up this long response, ask yourself the following question: 1) do you think this is something you will stick with long term? If the answer is yes, at a minimum, buy the grizzly or save for a PM1000 or the 1.75 hp SawStop. Just so I don't screw it up you're thinking these two (that follow) are good starters if I just save up a little longer? http://www.homedepot.com/p/RIDGID-13-Amp-10-in-Professional-Cast-Iron-Table-Saw-R4512/202500206 https://www.grizzly.com/products/10-Hybrid-Table-Saw/G0771?utm_campaign=zPage Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brendon_t Posted August 30, 2016 Report Share Posted August 30, 2016 I know a few guys that own the ridged saw and really like it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodenskye Posted August 30, 2016 Report Share Posted August 30, 2016 18 hours ago, Wocket said: Just so I don't screw it up you're thinking these two (that follow) are good starters if I just save up a little longer? http://www.homedepot.com/p/RIDGID-13-Amp-10-in-Professional-Cast-Iron-Table-Saw-R4512/202500206 https://www.grizzly.com/products/10-Hybrid-Table-Saw/G0771?utm_campaign=zPage Thanks Yes, both of those would be better than the 5 saws you posted links to. I am sure you can find plenty of reviews. The grizzly being on sale is a plus. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brendon_t Posted August 31, 2016 Report Share Posted August 31, 2016 4 hours ago, Woodenskye said: The grizzly being on sale is a plus. Then divide the sum by grizzly = indeterminate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gee-dub Posted August 31, 2016 Report Share Posted August 31, 2016 First let me qualify that I am not a Grizzly basher. That being said the G0771 has had a lot of bad press for fence alignment issues. This is probably not surprising as the front rail is two pieces that have to be aligned and a lot of folks don't bother to properly align their saws at all let along the fence rail ;-) My point is that I have read a fair amount of complaints about the fence system but, I often attribute a healthy dose of "sour grapes" to a lot of the complaints I read about new machines. There are definitely better and lesser tools. I just seem to find a lot of the results are proportional to the effort expended during setup. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bleedinblue Posted September 1, 2016 Report Share Posted September 1, 2016 I honestly didn't know of the 771 having any alignment issues, but maybe there were problems and that's why it's on closeout already. I didn't think that saw had been on the market for very long...a year maybe? The alignment issues with the 715 are well documented, as are the alignment issues with the Ridgid 4512. Still yet, if at all possible, I'd get any of these three saws over a rusted piece of unknown from Craigslist. Odds are you wouldn't get a lemon, and if you do, Grizzly or Home Depot will take care of it (returning a saw would be a big inconvenience though) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BonPacific Posted September 1, 2016 Report Share Posted September 1, 2016 Just to drop in on the discussion. I picked up my r4512 used on CL ($150 steal) from some kids building a tiny home. I have to say, it's a fantastic entry-level saw. I've never had the trunnion alignment issue that seemed common early on, though the fence can be a bit finicky to get aligned at first (and mine needs to be re-aligned). It's a nice smooth-running saw, very little vibration, and plenty of power for dado's or hardwood rips. You can upgrade the wings to cast iron, or buy an Incra fence later on if you find a need for it. The Ridgid has an integrated mobile base, so you can move it around the shop easily, and it still locks down on four feet. This has honestly been one of my favorite features, especially in a small shop. I know Grizzly offers a separate mobile base, but I have no experience with that. Remember, you'll need to pay freight with Grizzly, unless you are near a showroom. If you have a truck, van, or large hatchback you can pick up the Ridgid and return it if you have problems. Not sure how Grizzly returns work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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