Coyote Jim Posted December 15, 2018 Report Share Posted December 15, 2018 So I just got my hands on a lot of red oak. I should have turned it down but I got all of this for only $100 and at the time it felt too good to pass up. Pretty good haul. Some of it is 8/4 some is 4/4. My issue is that I just don't really like how red oak looks. White oak is pretty great but red oak....meh. Does anyone have any great techniques to make red oak look better? Dyes or stains or chemical treatments that get it away from that bleh pink color? I'm having buyers remorse here. On a completely related note, if any of you are in the Phoenix area I could make you a pretty sweet deal on some red oak! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chet Posted December 15, 2018 Report Share Posted December 15, 2018 5 minutes ago, Coyote Jim said: My issue is that I just don't really like how red oak looks. Turns out $100 wasn't such a good deal. Use it from some shop fixtures or furniture. Red oak is hard to stain because of the open grain, the cathedral grain stands out even more when you try to stain or color it. If you don't really like red oak it would seem to me you have painted yourself into a corner. And beings you are in the Phoenix area you probably don't even have a fire place to burn it in. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wdwerker Posted December 15, 2018 Report Share Posted December 15, 2018 It makes decent flooring. If you dye it black and put a clear finish on it all the grain shows and it works with simple modern design pieces. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drzaius Posted December 16, 2018 Report Share Posted December 16, 2018 Hey Jim, you and I have our red oak opinions in common. My favorite way to finish red oak is to paint it. Not being a smart ass here. It looks great with a few coats of rattle can black on it. The open grain partially fills in, but is still a prominent characteristic. I've not tried Steve's idea of dying it black & then a clear coat, but next time I use it, that's what I'll do. I think it would look good painted in colors too. The look of clear finished red oak is just very unappealing to me. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chestnut Posted December 16, 2018 Report Share Posted December 16, 2018 For shop stuff red oak is great. I don't mind staining it but it's work and it stinks. I'd find a use for it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post RichardA Posted December 16, 2018 Popular Post Report Share Posted December 16, 2018 Uh, Red Oak. 12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coyote Jim Posted December 16, 2018 Author Report Share Posted December 16, 2018 22 minutes ago, RichardA said: Uh, Red Oak. Well I never said I had good taste. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coop Posted December 16, 2018 Report Share Posted December 16, 2018 If it’s any consolation, red oak is closer to walnut in color than white oak or balsa wood. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtnhighlander Posted December 16, 2018 Report Share Posted December 16, 2018 I use dyed plaster of paris as a grain filler on red oak, and think it looks pretty good. The guy I made that massive oak trestle table for liked it so much, he asked me to make a small dry bar and some door-sized shutters with the same technique. Here is a Blog Post with details. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post pkinneb Posted December 16, 2018 Popular Post Report Share Posted December 16, 2018 here are a couple of pieces I've made from red oak Two pieces of our bedroom set and my office in our previous house 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isaac Posted December 16, 2018 Report Share Posted December 16, 2018 I’m surprised to hear claims that red oak does not stain well. I’ve had good experiences with staining it darker. I do get that golden colored oak is unpopular due to over exposure. So, if you want to get rid of it, maybe a relatively large, but fast project, like a bed, to use some of it up. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Keggers Posted December 16, 2018 Popular Post Report Share Posted December 16, 2018 Make some Lego tables. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Chestnut Posted December 17, 2018 Popular Post Report Share Posted December 17, 2018 4 hours ago, Isaac said: I’m surprised to hear claims that red oak does not stain well. I’ve had good experiences with staining it darker. I do get that golden colored oak is unpopular due to over exposure. So, if you want to get rid of it, maybe a relatively large, but fast project, like a bed, to use some of it up. Some people don't like the distinct pore filled stain look that makes the cathedral and pores pop like pictured above. It's all subjective because i know people that love that look. The two bookshelves i made not that long ago were red oak. I don't care for the wood because it's really splintery and i just like the way cherry works better. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isaac Posted December 17, 2018 Report Share Posted December 17, 2018 6 minutes ago, Chestnut said: Some people don't like the distinct pore filled stain look that makes the cathedral and pores pop like pictured above. It's all subjective because i know people that love that look. The two bookshelves i made not that long ago were red oak. I don't care for the wood because it's really splintery and i just like the way cherry works better. I understand. I don't use it much myself, but I guess I when I think of difficult to stain woods, I think of things like maple and pine that get blotchy and maybe won't even really take the color (not that I'm often trying to stain maple.. just saying!). Oak is easy to get a nice uniform color, with the caveat you mentioned, that the cathedrals will be uniformly darker. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chestnut Posted December 17, 2018 Report Share Posted December 17, 2018 4 minutes ago, Isaac said: I understand. I don't use it much myself, but I guess I when I think of difficult to stain woods, I think of things like maple and pine that get blotchy and maybe won't even really take the color (not that I'm often trying to stain maple.. just saying!). Oak is easy to get a nice uniform color, with the caveat you mentioned, that the cathedrals will be uniformly darker. There are ways around that like pore filling and other techniques. I really want to try some of the chemical stians like lye ect. Fuming white oak looks awesome as well. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isaac Posted December 17, 2018 Report Share Posted December 17, 2018 Just now, Chestnut said: There are ways around that like pore filling and other techniques. I really want to try some of the chemical stians like lye ect. Fuming white oak looks awesome as well. sure, if you want to go to the trouble, was referring to the general case. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post wtnhighlander Posted December 17, 2018 Popular Post Report Share Posted December 17, 2018 10 hours ago, Chestnut said: I really want to try some of the chemical stians like lye, etc. @Chestnut, I've done some experimenting with lye. It has a relatively mild affectvon red oak, at least in my small sample. Nice tone, just a bit darker, more tea-colored. Not the purple-grey to jet black that iron acetate can produce. Lye has a MUCH more dramatic effect on the cherry and mulberry I experimented with. The biggest drawback to using chemical color enhancers is that the reaction varies considerably from board to board. If you want an even tone with those methods, using stock from the same tree throught your piece is a good idea. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curlyoak Posted December 17, 2018 Report Share Posted December 17, 2018 I like red oak. On quartered the fleck is smaller. The projects above in red oak are exceptional. i do like white more. But red makes fine projects. With an oil finish containing amber the red is diminished. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minnesota Steve Posted December 17, 2018 Report Share Posted December 17, 2018 Our house is all oak... oak floors, oak trim, oak shelving. So I've done a few things in red oak to kind of match... like a coat rack in the hallway and such. But generally I avoid it for furniture just because we have too much of it. But it's a worthwhile wood to have around. It's hard and dense and useful when making things that you need some strength. I have some bench hooks I bought from Bad Axe tools which are made from quartersawn red oak. http://www.badaxetoolworks.com/bad-axe-bench-hook-sets.php I think it looks nice with a stain. My coat rack I used the Watco walnut danish oil and it looks fairly nice. As drzaius mentioned, it actually looks nice spray painted black. This is more common with ash which has a similar grain structure, you see a lot of speakers with ash exteriors that are painted black. Matte maybe moreso than gloss, but you'd have to experiment. It does not look good painted white. Up here a lot of houses have oak trim, cabinets and such, and HGTV teaches everyone they should have white trim, so you'll go into a lot of houses where they paint the oak white. A friend of mine is currently in the process of ripping it all out as it looks terrible and can't be undone. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Chestnut Posted December 17, 2018 Popular Post Report Share Posted December 17, 2018 I made some really tasty pork chops and Venison steaks over a red oak fire last night.... 3 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post drzaius Posted December 17, 2018 Popular Post Report Share Posted December 17, 2018 46 minutes ago, Chestnut said: I made some really tasty pork chops and Venison steaks over a red oak fire last night.... I hope that didn't make them taste like red oak smells when being cut. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stumpnav Posted December 19, 2018 Report Share Posted December 19, 2018 I also got a truck load of it for a good deal. I have used it for shop stuff mostly, but I think I may make one of those Lego tables with some red oak. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chestnut Posted December 19, 2018 Report Share Posted December 19, 2018 On 12/17/2018 at 11:13 AM, drzaius said: I hope that didn't make them taste like red oak smells when being cut. I thought that most charcoal was made from oak wood but it turns out Kingsford's standard blend uses a softwood hardwood mix so sound slike they aren't picky. It tasted nothing like it smells when cut though i don't find that smell bad. Unless your talking wet red oak then i'll agree. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coop Posted December 19, 2018 Report Share Posted December 19, 2018 On 12/17/2018 at 10:26 AM, Chestnut said: I made some really tasty pork chops and Venison steaks over a red oak fire last night.... That ain’t right. Back strap tastes better when cooked in Texas. PM me for an address. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chestnut Posted December 19, 2018 Report Share Posted December 19, 2018 4 minutes ago, K Cooper said: That ain’t right. Back strap tastes better when cooked in Texas. PM me for an address. How'd you know it was the backstraps? I"m starting to get the feeling that you're stalking me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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