Freddie Posted February 1, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 1, 2014 I need to fool around with layout now. This is a huge help with machine placement and now i have more options for infeed outfeed requirements without cramming things together. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pghmyn Posted February 1, 2014 Report Share Posted February 1, 2014 I need to fool around with layout now. This is a huge help with machine placement and now i have more options for infeed outfeed requirements without cramming things together.I need to get my planer on a cart like you, and a mobile base on my table saw as well. I like my table saw where it is, but being able to move it when I don't need all that out feed space would be nice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freddie Posted February 1, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 1, 2014 I have had the luck of always having projects too large for my space so all of my tools get moved around constantly, and when theyre out of the way theres still not enough room. Hopefully now i can remedy that a bit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wdwerker Posted February 1, 2014 Report Share Posted February 1, 2014 Any room outside for a compressor and dust collector closet ? That would save more floor space and put some of the noise outside. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freddie Posted February 1, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 1, 2014 I wish, but my parents would never let me build something off the side of the house. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric. Posted February 1, 2014 Report Share Posted February 1, 2014 Sounds like a good time to buy the little lady a house. If I had to ask my parents where I could put my dust collector, I'd have to make a change. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freddie Posted February 1, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 1, 2014 Sounds like a good time to buy the little lady a house. If I had to ask my parents where I could put my dust collector, I'd have to make a change. Yea yea I was told I had to have excellent dust collection since I wanna heat and cool my shop with a ductless mini split with heat pump. I started looking at dust collectors but its a bit overwhelming. I have a grizzly 1hp wall mounted unit now. Any suggestions on this issue. I definitely don't want to under shoot this, and not able to pull the dust at the tools. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chopnhack Posted February 2, 2014 Report Share Posted February 2, 2014 Yea yea I was told I had to have excellent dust collection since I wanna heat and cool my shop with a ductless mini split with heat pump. I started looking at dust collectors but its a bit overwhelming. I have a grizzly 1hp wall mounted unit now. Any suggestions on this issue. I definitely don't want to under shoot this, and not able to pull the dust at the tools. Make your own ambient air d.c., I did :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan S Posted February 2, 2014 Report Share Posted February 2, 2014 I'd say you want something in the 3-5HP range. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freddie Posted February 2, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 2, 2014 Should I be looking at cyclones or bag collectors though? The bag collector cfm's seem to go up way higher, and static pressure is not too far off in comparison. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric. Posted February 2, 2014 Report Share Posted February 2, 2014 If I could go back in time and make the good decision, I would have just held my nose and bought the Clearvue that Marc has. Bang for your buck top prize. Yeah it's 5HP...some may say overkill for a small shop. I always prefer to err on the side of overkill...better than the alternative. I bought a 2HP canister unit and Frankensteined it with a Super Dust Deputy and direct out-of-the-shop exhaust. Meh. We've gotten to know you pretty well by now, Freddie...I don't see you with a bag collector when a far superior cyclone can be had at twice the price. LOL. Learn from my mistake. My gift to you. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freddie Posted February 2, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 2, 2014 My only question is why is it on paper that the bag collector outperforms the cyclones everytime? Unless im missing something. They are pulling my cfm, static pressure, and pulling maximum material collection capacity. Seems the cyclones look cooler and are easier to maintain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freddie Posted February 2, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 2, 2014 I guess im asking insight because based on what im reading if the cyclones are better than i just dont know any better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtnhighlander Posted February 2, 2014 Report Share Posted February 2, 2014 Don't know from experience, but research tells me the cyclone separator keeps the filter working at near max capacity until it is full, whereas a bag filter without a separator will work less and less efficiently as it fills. Sent from my XT1058 using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beechwood Chip Posted February 2, 2014 Report Share Posted February 2, 2014 My only question is why is it on paper that the bag collector outperforms the cyclones everytime? Unless im missing something. They are pulling my cfm, static pressure, and pulling maximum material collection capacity. Seems the cyclones look cooler and are easier to maintain. If you took away the bags altogether you would get even better CFM and static pressure. The cyclones generally have HEPA filters which do a much better job of collecting the fine particles that damage your lungs. But HEPA filters are expensive and clog quickly, so you want to put a prefilter in front to catch the bigger stuff. The cyclone never needs to be replaced, and adds very little drag to the system. Short answer - you need to compare HEPA filters to HEPA filters to get a fair comparison. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric. Posted February 2, 2014 Report Share Posted February 2, 2014 This^^^...plus you're probably comparing a 2HP bag collector to a 2HP cyclone...which also has "bags," i.e...canister(s). Bags and canisters reduce efficiency by adding resistance. A cyclone also reduces efficiency. So a cyclone with a canister has two levels of resistance to compete with instead of just one in the case of the bag collector. If you compare a 3HP cyclone to a 2HP bag collector, you'll be back in the ballpark. Compare a 5HP cyclone to a 2HP bag collector, and there is no comparison. Vent your 5HP cyclone out the back of your shop, and you'll laugh at the thought of a bag collector. I hope to have that scenario eventually. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freddie Posted February 2, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 2, 2014 Ok guys ya got me haha. So now i gotta shop around, and sell a kidney because a new dc was not in the budget, but i wont skimp on a tool that will increase my life expectancy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freddie Posted February 2, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 2, 2014 And a ceiling mounted air filter is in order as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wdwerker Posted February 2, 2014 Report Share Posted February 2, 2014 I have heard mixed results with the air filters. A cyclone with a Hepa filter could serve as both. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freddie Posted February 2, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 2, 2014 I finished insulating one long run of exterior wall. I temporarily threw a piece of ply on the studs to hang up my clamps and get them off the floor. I had to shift everything around again because I had to clean up my toolbox and take pictures to sell. I had a local buyer and he changed his mind because he is trying to finish building his car and funds are tight. I hope to move this box quickly despite the economy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freddie Posted February 2, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 2, 2014 And more.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freddie Posted February 3, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 3, 2014 Value of the snapon stuff is 20 grand. Whatever i get is going back into the shop. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Llama Posted February 3, 2014 Report Share Posted February 3, 2014 Looks like my old box! Got out of that a long time ago! Best way to unload it is to one guy, or take the time to sell it piece by piece. I sold my huge box (like yours) bought a smaller snapon box, and have been selling stuff little by little. Sold that box not long ago, and bought a small cart. Almost all of my tools are gone now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freddie Posted February 3, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 3, 2014 Im trying to unload it at once, dont want this stuff sitting around collecting dust anymore. Plus i need it out to gain the space back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Llama Posted February 3, 2014 Report Share Posted February 3, 2014 I hear ya bud. Gonna take a beating unless you come across the right person. I still have a few things because I refuse to give it away. Sucks a lot! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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