thewoodwhisperer Posted July 19, 2016 Report Share Posted July 19, 2016 This is just a quick note about a thread I had to remove today. I'm only posting this because I wasn't sure the folks involved had a chance to see my response on the thread before I deleted it. Bottom line is the thread linked to a YouTube channel that posts copyrighted material illegally. No one is at fault here simply because it's very difficult for anyone to know what's posted legitimately and what's not. However, I saw several titles posted in their catalog that I KNOW they do not have permission to post. Anything that seems too good to be true probably is. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drzaius Posted July 19, 2016 Report Share Posted July 19, 2016 I have unsubscribed to that channel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mds2 Posted July 19, 2016 Report Share Posted July 19, 2016 3 minutes ago, drzaius said: I have unsubscribed to that channel. I'm doing the same. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaneymack Posted July 19, 2016 Report Share Posted July 19, 2016 This is just a quick note about a thread I had to remove today. I'm only posting this because I wasn't sure the folks involved had a chance to see my response on the thread before I deleted it. Bottom line is the thread linked to a YouTube channel that posts copyrighted material illegally. No one is at fault here simply because it's very difficult for anyone to know what's posted legitimately and what's not. However, I saw several titles posted in their catalog that I KNOW they do not have permission to post. Anything that seems too good to be true probably is. Sorry about that, Marc. I'm not 100% sure how all that works on Youtube. I wasn't sure if because The Router Workshop is an older show that is was ok that that guy had it on his channel. I guess since I wasn't sure I shouldn't have posted it. My bad guys, sorry again! Sent from my SM-N910W8 using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardA Posted July 19, 2016 Report Share Posted July 19, 2016 I'm glad I missed that, My wrist's don't need slapping any more than my wife does it! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krtwood Posted July 19, 2016 Report Share Posted July 19, 2016 1 hour ago, shaneymack said: Sorry about that, Marc. I'm not 100% sure how all that works on Youtube. I wasn't sure if because The Router Workshop is an older show that is was ok that that guy had it on his channel. I guess since I wasn't sure I shouldn't have posted it. My bad guys, sorry again! Sent from my SM-N910W8 using Tapatalk If it was made in the US after 1923 it's under copyright, unless specifically released under other terms, and will be under copyright effectively forever. That's all I say about that before I start talking about politics in a topic about removing another topic 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 19, 2016 Report Share Posted July 19, 2016 20 minutes ago, krtwood said: If it was made in the US after 1923 it's under copyright, unless specifically released under other terms, and will be under copyright effectively forever. That's all I say about that before I start talking about politics in a topic about removing another topic I know most content is under copyright. However, it is not always easy to tell if a youtube channel has permission to post the copyrighted material. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaneymack Posted July 19, 2016 Report Share Posted July 19, 2016 I know most content is under copyright. However, it is not always easy to tell if a youtube channel has permission to post the copyrighted material. Exactly. Sent from my SM-N910W8 using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tpt life Posted July 19, 2016 Report Share Posted July 19, 2016 51 minutes ago, krtwood said: If it was made in the US after 1923 it's under copyright, unless specifically released under other terms, and will be under copyright effectively forever. That's all I say about that before I start talking about politics in a topic about removing another topic "Other terms..." If an individual holds the copyright, it expires at their death. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gixxerjoe04 Posted July 19, 2016 Report Share Posted July 19, 2016 What if it's a link from old Ted to 16,000 woodworking plans for pennies on the dollar? Seems legit though 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
h3nry Posted July 19, 2016 Report Share Posted July 19, 2016 55 minutes ago, C Shaffer said: "Other terms..." If an individual holds the copyright, it expires at their death. Copyright normally passes to the author's estate for 50-70 years after their death (depending on the country). Which places just about every video ever created under copyright. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mds2 Posted July 19, 2016 Report Share Posted July 19, 2016 Just a question, but how does something become public domain? The movie Night Of The Living Dead has been, pretty famously, public domain since it's release because of some sort error in registering it's copy write. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 19, 2016 Report Share Posted July 19, 2016 10 minutes ago, mds2 said: Just a question, but how does something become public domain? The movie Night Of The Living Dead has been, pretty famously, public domain since it's release because of some sort error in registering it's copy write. The law has since changed, but back then you had to publish a copyright notice with the work so that people knew it was copyrighted. So even though it should have been protected, they forgot to put a copyright notice on the title card, which effectively made it public domain. https://www.plagiarismtoday.com/2011/10/10/how-a-copyright-mistake-created-the-modern-zombie/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mds2 Posted July 19, 2016 Report Share Posted July 19, 2016 24 minutes ago, Mike. said: The law has since changed, but back then you had to publish a copyright notice with the work so that people knew it was copyrighted. So even though it should have been protected, they forgot to put a copyright notice on the title card, which effectively made it public domain. https://www.plagiarismtoday.com/2011/10/10/how-a-copyright-mistake-created-the-modern-zombie/ Thanks! I've heard Romero say in an interview "if I would have done it right, we'd be doing this interview at my villa in the south of France". I never knew the full backstory. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JosephThomas Posted July 19, 2016 Report Share Posted July 19, 2016 Ah bummer, good to know. Sorry Marc Sent from my Nexus 5 using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 19, 2016 Report Share Posted July 19, 2016 Just now, mds2 said: Thanks! I've heard Romero say in an interview "if I would have done it right, we'd be doing this interview at my villa in the south of France". I never knew the full backstory. Maybe. there is a little bit of hypothesizing in that statement. Yes, he (and some other guy) created the characters and, if the characters were copyrighted, then he would get royalties on all the subsequent derivative works. But if original work were copyright protected there might not be any subsequent derivative works. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krtwood Posted July 19, 2016 Report Share Posted July 19, 2016 3 hours ago, C Shaffer said: "Other terms..." If an individual holds the copyright, it expires at their death. It's currently at life + 70 years. It will go up to life + 80 or 90 or 100 years sometime in the next 5 years. Bet on it. It's a thorny subject. On the one hand you would of course not want anyone to be able to just take Marc's stuff. But what happens if Marc decides to give up woodworking and become a competitive pasta eater and shuts the site down? Or if he's just passed on and his kids have no interest in woodworking or keeping the content available? Even if the current life + 70 term stayed in effect, everyone who was around to be able to be influenced by his work will be dead by the time it's legal for someone else to make it available and thus it will be very unlikely to happen. Kind of a morbid topic, but I wonder if Marc has done anything as far as getting his wishes for his content spelled out in case something happens to him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Eric. Posted July 19, 2016 Popular Post Report Share Posted July 19, 2016 I own every Guild build in existence so Marc is mine forever, dead or alive. All mine. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post thewoodwhisperer Posted July 19, 2016 Author Popular Post Report Share Posted July 19, 2016 Well copyright is there and the law (however broken) can be pretty clear in some cases. I think we have a couple of good examples like the New Yankee Workshop. Great woodworking show that still has value. The people involved in making it are still alive and still willing to profit off of it. But for some reason, they don't seem to care that the content is being pirated and shared freely online. Their lack of willingness to defend their copyright means for all intents and purposes, it's public domain. Of course, legally, it isn't. Or look at Woodworks. The original owner of the show didn't care about profiting from it after it went off the air so episodes were pretty easy to find online. Once David Marks worked out a deal, he had a vested interest in getting the pirated copies taken down and delisted and while there's not a lot you can do to completely stop torrents, it's definitely a little harder to find those episodes now. Furthermore, someone is offering a legal alternative at a reasonable price, so reasonable people will generally prefer to buy than to steal. As for me, Nicole has clear instructions on what to do if anything ever happens to me. Keep selling Guild videos, turn ads up to 11 on all of our free videos and milk it for all it's worth. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodenskye Posted July 19, 2016 Report Share Posted July 19, 2016 13 minutes ago, thewoodwhisperer said: As for me, Nicole has clear instructions on what to do if anything ever happens to me. Keep selling Guild videos, turn ads up to 11 on all of our free videos and milk it for all it's worth. Since you will be out of the picture and Nicole won't have to share the profits, the home office will be relocating to a big yacht sailing around the world called Thanks Marc, No More Sawdust. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coop Posted July 19, 2016 Report Share Posted July 19, 2016 Now how many here have pm'ed Shane for that site Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mkrusen Posted July 19, 2016 Report Share Posted July 19, 2016 I'm curious what the channel was? Seeing as we all probably watch a lot of the same channels, I'm guessing I may be subscribed. I'd rather not support a channel that's openly ignoring copyright and ripping off someone's work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JosephThomas Posted July 20, 2016 Report Share Posted July 20, 2016 I'm curious what the channel was? Seeing as we all probably watch a lot of the same channels, I'm guessing I may be subscribed. I'd rather not support a channel that's openly ignoring copyright and ripping off someone's work. Not sure if Marc wants us to post it here again, he removed the old thread for a reason... I'll let him tell you the channel name if he wants. Sent from my Nexus 5 using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prov163 Posted July 20, 2016 Report Share Posted July 20, 2016 Unsubscribed. Thanks Marc! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cliff Posted July 20, 2016 Report Share Posted July 20, 2016 3 hours ago, krtwood said: It's currently at life + 70 years. It will go up to life + 80 or 90 or 100 years sometime in the next 5 years. Bet on it. It's a thorny subject. On the one hand you would of course not want anyone to be able to just take Marc's stuff. But what happens if Marc decides to give up woodworking and become a competitive pasta eater and shuts the site down? Or if he's just passed on and his kids have no interest in woodworking or keeping the content available? Even if the current life + 70 term stayed in effect, everyone who was around to be able to be influenced by his work will be dead by the time it's legal for someone else to make it available and thus it will be very unlikely to happen. Kind of a morbid topic, but I wonder if Marc has done anything as far as getting his wishes for his content spelled out in case something happens to him. Yeah that law is going to keep getting extended as long as Disney and DC keep putting all their weight behind it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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