Popular Post rodger. Posted August 30, 2016 Popular Post Report Share Posted August 30, 2016 What if you used your feet to make something? Is that handmade?? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric. Posted August 30, 2016 Report Share Posted August 30, 2016 26 minutes ago, midtnwoodworker said: This was kind of exhausting to read. Honestly who really cares what someone calls something? We all probably have our own line of what is "handmade" , but again why does anyone care? Just go build what makes you happy, the way it makes you happy, and quit squabbling over what to call something. Good day. And that's surely a suitable enough note to end on. I'm certainly tired of the "conversation," if it can even be labeled as such. Drivel. But before I bow out ungracefully, I have to just say... You CNC guys sure are defensive. It's as if y'all know you're wrong. LOL 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Immortan D Posted August 30, 2016 Report Share Posted August 30, 2016 CNC guys? Where? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Llama Posted August 30, 2016 Report Share Posted August 30, 2016 1 hour ago, mat60 said: I'm glad the disagreement is over but the cat was funny. Feel free to visit my Patreon page 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prov163 Posted August 30, 2016 Report Share Posted August 30, 2016 32 minutes ago, krtwood said: It's just a router following a template. The template happens to be in the computer. How did it get in the computer? Somebody made it. A dovetail jig is basically a cnc machine. A template attached to a piece so you can flush trim it to the exact size is basically a cnc machine. There is no art in keeping a bearing on a template. The art was in creating the template in the first place. When Marc did the Blacker House chair he was basically William Ng's cnc machine. You could make an argument that an entirely cnc produced piece that a person designed themselves is more handmade than Marc's copy of William Ng's templates of the Greene's design. Not sure I would agree with your last sentence but that would probably be the view of younger generations who have lived in a world dominated by computers and smartphones. Here's the main difference in my opinion. If the CNC's computer hard drive crashes Marc can still make the chair. The programmer, not so much. 1 hour ago, Eric. said: Maybe if I was a retired old man who needed exercise or something it might be worth the effort. But I think my desire to build as many projects as I can before I die would still trump it. If you're lucky you get to be a retired old man?. I'm not retired yet, but hit the big 60 next year. My efforts toward improving hand tool skills (in a hybrid setting) are first and foremost to improve the quality of my furniture. As you get older you'll find in most areas of life you steer toward quality more than quantity. That includes friendships, toys, and the investing of time. I think your workmanship is exceptional, Eric, but don't make fun of the old guy - you'll be him someday and we don't like it ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prov163 Posted August 30, 2016 Report Share Posted August 30, 2016 6 minutes ago, Mike. said: The whole point of my rant was that people should build the way that makes them happy.... but then I accidentally insulted some people's favorite youtube hero, I guess. You insulted Angry Cat? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric. Posted August 30, 2016 Report Share Posted August 30, 2016 1 hour ago, krtwood said: You could make an argument that an entirely cnc produced piece that a person designed themselves is more handmade than Marc's copy of William Ng's templates of the Greene's design. That is absolute hogwash! You're confusing programming software with building something. Now creatively, you may have a point. When someone builds a reproduction of another piece, certainly that's far less artistic than a person coming up with a unique new CNC design idea. But we're talking about craftsmanship, which requires skills of the hand and eye, of which CNC requires very little to none...and I think any sensible person would agree. 17 minutes ago, prov163 said: I think your workmanship is exceptional, Eric, but don't make fun of the old guy - you'll be him someday and we don't like it ? No no, don't misunderstand. I wasn't taking a crack at you old geezers ...I was just saying if I had more time on my hands I might be more inclined to slow down a bit in the shop. At present, I don't have that luxury. My main goal - at this point in my life - when I head into a project is to complete it in a reasonable amount of time. That's tough to do with hand tools from start to finish. It would take you an entire day to mill the boards that a bandsaw, jointer and planer could have done in thirty minutes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Llama Posted August 31, 2016 Report Share Posted August 31, 2016 5 minutes ago, prov163 said: You insulted Angry Cat? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Immortan D Posted August 31, 2016 Report Share Posted August 31, 2016 Any moron can follow a router template or use a dovetail jig. I know it because I've done it many times. That's no craftsmanship and requires no skills wathsoever. Bye. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prov163 Posted August 31, 2016 Report Share Posted August 31, 2016 12 minutes ago, Eric. said: That is absolute hogwash! You're confusing programming software with building something. Now creatively, you may have a point. When someone builds a reproduction of another piece, certainly that's far less artistic than a person coming up with a unique new CNC design idea. But we're talking about craftsmanship, which requires skills of the hand and eye, of which CNC requires very little to none...and I think any sensible person would agree. No no, don't misunderstand. I wasn't taking a crack at you old geezers ...I was just saying if I had more time on my hands I might be more inclined to slow down a bit in the shop. At present, I don't have that luxury. My main goal - at this point in my life - when I head into a project is to complete it in a reasonable amount of time. That's tough to do with hand tools from start to finish. It would take you an entire day to mill the boards that a bandsaw, jointer and planer could have done in thirty minutes. That's right you young whippersnapper. Remember old age and treachery will always overcome youth and skill - LOL. I fully agree with your assessment of CNC. It's great technology but not craftsmanship in the most accepted definition of the word. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Llama Posted August 31, 2016 Report Share Posted August 31, 2016 17 minutes ago, Immortan D said: Bye Forever? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Cancelleri Posted August 31, 2016 Report Share Posted August 31, 2016 3 minutes ago, Llama said: Forever? Back in the day when I played video games 10 years ago. When someone would say they are quitting a game. It was customary to ask for said quitter's stuff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaneymack Posted August 31, 2016 Report Share Posted August 31, 2016 Any moron can follow a router template or use a dovetail jig. I know it because I've done it many times. That's no craftsmanship and requires no skills wathsoever. Bye. No way man, I screw up with the Leigh jig all the time. Im a capital M Moron ! Sent from my SM-N910W8 using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Immortan D Posted August 31, 2016 Report Share Posted August 31, 2016 5 minutes ago, shaneymack said: No way man, I screw up with the Leigh jig all the time. Im a capital M Moron ! Sent from my SM-N910W8 using Tapatalk Then get the PC one. It's moron proof. 12 minutes ago, Llama said: Forever? You'd like that, don't you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Llama Posted August 31, 2016 Report Share Posted August 31, 2016 17 minutes ago, Llama said: Forever? 3 minutes ago, Immortan D said: You'd like that, don't you? Guess not forever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post wtnhighlander Posted August 31, 2016 Popular Post Report Share Posted August 31, 2016 In the time it took to read this thread, I could have resawn 6 board feet of lumber by hand, maybe 8 with a bandsaw. Just sayin'. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brendon_t Posted August 31, 2016 Report Share Posted August 31, 2016 If someone could make a panty un-buncher on a 3d printed cnc for me that would be great. I'm feeling rather bunched at the moment and can't figure out why.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Llama Posted August 31, 2016 Report Share Posted August 31, 2016 2 minutes ago, Brendon_t said: If someone could make a panty un-buncher on a 3d printed cnc for me that would be great. I'm feeling rather bunched at the moment and can't figure out why.. It's because you wear panties. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brendon_t Posted August 31, 2016 Report Share Posted August 31, 2016 Is it better if I call then manties? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Llama Posted August 31, 2016 Report Share Posted August 31, 2016 2 minutes ago, Brendon_t said: Is it better if I call then manties? No. I think that is worse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brendon_t Posted August 31, 2016 Report Share Posted August 31, 2016 What if they are pork chop flavored manties? I call that a score.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Llama Posted August 31, 2016 Report Share Posted August 31, 2016 Nope! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prov163 Posted August 31, 2016 Report Share Posted August 31, 2016 44 minutes ago, Tom Cancelleri said: Back in the day when I played video games 10 years ago. When someone would say they are quitting a game. It was customary to ask for said quitter's stuff. So if I quit I have to turn in my Atari Pong console? Guess I'm staying. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodenskye Posted August 31, 2016 Report Share Posted August 31, 2016 10 minutes ago, Brendon_t said: What if they are pork chop flavored manties? I call that a score.. I really hope you are 21 beers into a case, that is the only logical explanation of this statement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drzaius Posted August 31, 2016 Report Share Posted August 31, 2016 12 minutes ago, Brendon_t said: What if they are pork chop flavored manties? I call that a score.. UGGGHHHH! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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