Popular Post Mick S Posted March 2, 2021 Popular Post Report Share Posted March 2, 2021 I've posted a few photos in the What Did You Do Today topic, but I'm now far enough into it to start a simple journal. This is a "commission" for a neighbor - we're trading labor, he's going to do some stone work for me. The design is a merger of a sofa table Alison bought in the early '80s and a Christian Becksvoort design that was in Fine Woodworking Nov/Dec 2002. Because it's narrow, I had to veer away from Becksvoort's spinner supports for the leaves - just not room for the width of the leaves. I'm using some air dried cherry that I got from a Franciscan monastery that was shutting down its wood shop and had 7500 bf of mixed lumber to sell. This cherry was marked 1982. After squaring it and dimensioning I moved to the Pantorouter to cut the mortises and tenons. I promised to do a review of this almost a year ago and I'll get to it. Suffice it to say I love it and I know of probably a dozen I've sold for them just around here. Wonderful machine! Then tapered the legs on the slider. Once again, review coming, as promised. Next up was laying out for the draw bore pins. Next post. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Mick S Posted March 2, 2021 Author Popular Post Report Share Posted March 2, 2021 Next I did the draw bore pins a la Mike Pekovich. It's really handy to have multiple squares - one for the edge standoff, one for the top hole and one for the bottom. You may wonder why I have two Starrett 4" combo squares. I "lost" one last fall and after weeks of looking for it and finally buying a new one, found it in my apron - in the wrong pocket. I learned this little trick from a FW podcast a couple of years ago. I got a set of center punches from HF for ?? $12. The pin holes are ¼". With the boards clamped together, insert the 1/32" smaller size punch into the hole with it pressed up against the edge of the hole closest to the apron and punch it. This locates an index point just inside and toward the apron. Once drilled, it draws the tenon into the mortise. The long side aprons are close to 6 feet, so I just let gravity do the work for them. After drilling them out I used a countersink by hand to ease the edge so the pin could seat without crushing the fibers. 11 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coop Posted March 2, 2021 Report Share Posted March 2, 2021 Mick, your neighbor must do some incredible stone work for you to part with 40 yo cherry! Can you provide a pic of Alison’s table and a link to the FWW Beckvoort’s to give us an idea of what’s to come? Looking forward to following this project. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtnhighlander Posted March 2, 2021 Report Share Posted March 2, 2021 Slick technique with the center punch! Thanks for sharing that one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Mick S Posted March 2, 2021 Author Popular Post Report Share Posted March 2, 2021 6 hours ago, Coop said: Mick, your neighbor must do some incredible stone work for you to part with 40 yo cherry! Can you provide a pic of Alison’s table and a link to the FWW Beckvoort’s to give us an idea of what’s to come? Looking forward to following this project. I'm charging them the going rate for 4/4 and 8/4 cherry here in Santa Fe, which is 10 times what I paid for it. Here's the link to the members only Becksvoort article - https://www.finewoodworking.com/2002/12/01/harvest-table The changes I made based on Alison's table were mainly dimensional and per the client. The Becksvoort table is too wide for their space. I'm also doing pull out supports for the drop leaves and they wanted a simple square edge rather than a rule joint. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
difalkner Posted March 2, 2021 Report Share Posted March 2, 2021 That's looking really nice, Mick! Can't wait to see this go through the stages and looking forward to the finished table. David Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillyJack Posted March 2, 2021 Report Share Posted March 2, 2021 Turned out nice.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chet Posted March 2, 2021 Report Share Posted March 2, 2021 I am enjoying this as usual with your stuff. The center punch is a great idea. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post RichardA Posted March 2, 2021 Popular Post Report Share Posted March 2, 2021 17 hours ago, wtnhighlander said: Slick technique with the center punch! Thanks for sharing that one. I don't have a center punch, so I use the point of the brad point bit I drilled the holes with, then set the point back a 1/16th toward the shoulder. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtnhighlander Posted March 3, 2021 Report Share Posted March 3, 2021 @RichardA, that is what I have done, but I find it hard to make the offset even. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Mick S Posted March 3, 2021 Author Popular Post Report Share Posted March 3, 2021 8 hours ago, wtnhighlander said: @RichardA, that is what I have done, but I find it hard to make the offset even. That's how I've done it in the past. What I found, also, is that it's not uncommon for bradpoint tips to be a little off center, moving the start point in a direction you don't want it to go. The center punches are easier to align. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Mick S Posted March 4, 2021 Author Popular Post Report Share Posted March 4, 2021 I made the cherry dowel pins I'll use for the draw-bores. Then I swore for a couple of hours (03:24:27) while putting together the Grizzly (emphasis on the grrrrr) overarm guard for the slider. After 30+? years can't they hire someone to translate and make a decent set of instructions? PISS poor instructions! Anyway, the Pantorouter (great instructions!) has a circular template for making dowels. The inherent design of it allows for fine-tuning the fit. Given the problem with out of round commercially available dowels, these are a COPD's dream. 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chet Posted March 4, 2021 Report Share Posted March 4, 2021 How long of a dowel can you reasonably make that way Mick? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick S Posted March 4, 2021 Author Report Share Posted March 4, 2021 9 hours ago, Chet said: How long of a dowel can you reasonably make that way Mick? Only about an inch or so, maybe 1 ½". You're limited by the cutter length and also the unsupported end would start to whip, I imagine. It's great for making dowels for pinning since you can use any species you choose. It's how I make ebony pins. Great way to use up scrap, too! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chestnut Posted March 4, 2021 Report Share Posted March 4, 2021 That's cool! If you and Paul keep posting about your pantorouters it's going to motivate me to buy one. I have to ask COPD? I'm going to need that defined cause i don't understand how chronic obstructive pulmonary disease fits in here.... Other than the results from too much saw dust? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coop Posted March 5, 2021 Report Share Posted March 5, 2021 At least @Chet only influences me to buy items that are usually under $100 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tpt life Posted March 5, 2021 Report Share Posted March 5, 2021 On 3/3/2021 at 8:30 PM, Mick S said: >>these are a COPD's dream. A bug is not allowing b this quote to work properly. I am not familiar with this reference. E-OCD maybe? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick S Posted March 5, 2021 Author Report Share Posted March 5, 2021 13 hours ago, Tpt life said: On 3/3/2021 at 6:30 PM, Mick S said: >>these are a COPD's dream. A bug is not allowing b this quote to work properly. I am not familiar with this reference. E-OCD maybe? Hahaha! I believe the vaccination was on my mind when I wrote that. I drove to Amarillo this morning to get my first shot. 4 hours each way, but relieved. Halfway back I got the text from the state of NM with my code to make a vaccination appointment that I've waited 2 months to get before in person classes start back up. Always works that way. Always. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coop Posted March 6, 2021 Report Share Posted March 6, 2021 Hopefully you will be able to get your second shot in NM? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick S Posted March 7, 2021 Author Report Share Posted March 7, 2021 On 3/5/2021 at 7:15 PM, Coop said: Hopefully you will be able to get your second shot in NM? I think I could, but I don't know if I could get it when it's due. Anyway, Alison's sister and her family are all in Amarillo, so I'll go over and spend a night with them, have some good Tex-Mex, maybe a Whataburger for breakfast the next day before heading back. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
legenddc Posted May 8, 2021 Report Share Posted May 8, 2021 Looking great so far! I just looked at the Harbor Freight center punch and I believe they call them transfer punches in case anyone else is looking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom King Posted May 8, 2021 Report Share Posted May 8, 2021 The use of a transfer punch is Brilliant!!! I should have thought of that myself, but never have. For those that don't know what a transfer punch is, it fits tightly in a hole of a specific size, and has a little tit that sticks out to mark the center, so you can drill parts to mate perfectly. They come in sets. I have a couple of sets that I use for metal work, but never ever thought about using one for simple drawbore marking. I will be from now on!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curlyoak Posted May 8, 2021 Report Share Posted May 8, 2021 Could you use a brad point drill bit? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick S Posted May 8, 2021 Author Report Share Posted May 8, 2021 38 minutes ago, curlyoak said: Could you use a brad point drill bit? Wow, almost forgot I had this journal going. Classes finish up for the semester this week, so I should be able to get back to it soon. The only issue with brad points is that sometimes the spur isn't centered well, but yes, many people do just that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark J Posted May 9, 2021 Report Share Posted May 9, 2021 19 hours ago, Mick S said: The only issue with brad points is that sometimes the spur isn't centered well, but yes, many people do just that. I second the off center nature of the brad point. But you could use that to accentuate the draw bore offset. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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