New Shop Thread

[wtnhighlander]

Hhhhmmmm.....box looks a bit small for a 4000 amp service ...

[Mark J]

Your bringing in 480V aren't you?  I mean for the stationary machines.  

[gee-dub]

- 100amp service and 240v.  I'm just a hobbyist.  An enthusiastic hobbyist but still . . . My previous shop ran on a 60 amp service, lights and all without issue.  I just wanted to be sure I would have room to grow pretty painlessly.

[Chestnut]

You can only run 1 dust collector and 1 tool at a time.Worst case that's not even 40 amps. There is plenty of room for AC, lights, stereo, and a TV.

I always scratched my head when some of those youtube shops put in 400 amp services....

[Mark J]

On a more serious note @gee-dub, how many 240V circuits will you have?  I am under the impression that code limits each circuit to one receptacle.  

[gee-dub]

34 minutes ago, Mark J said:

On a more serious note @gee-dub, how many 240V circuits will you have?  I am under the impression that code limits each circuit to one receptacle.  

Correct on code, at least hereabouts.  I have had scenarios where I have had multiple 240v outlets on a single circuit for machines that are used one at a time.  I don't leave my planer running while I am jointing for example.  While some folks build this way to save on wire runs I did it due to physical position capacity issues in the load center at that shop.

The plan is for a 240v outlet for each 240v machine I already have of course.  I will have a few others in wall locations where 240v is likely to be brought into use.  These would be for additional 240v machines or relocated existing machines as best as I can tell the future. 

I will also have wires run from the load center location to possible, best guess locations around the shop without terminating either end.  These will be tagged and well documented so in August of 2024 when I want to install my first Star Trek Universal Replicator I won't have to disturb the R-30 in the overhead.

Seriously, I have had (courtesy of COVID) a year longer to ponder these things than I expected to.  An also retired friend was the infrastructure engineer where I worked; we're both bored.  Boredom is dangerous for people like us because we will invent something to do.

With me at the SketchUp app and him at his CAD station we have worked and re-worked this poor thing to death.  I have been fortunate that folks on the forums are so clever and sharing.  Many of the things we share and discuss on the forums have made their way into this build. 

The end result is that I think I now have it as close as I could ever expect.  I've also been doing this long enough to know that the only constant is change.  I just have to manage it so that I have time to actually work the craft as well .

P.s. I didn't even touch on the GFCI requirements for ceiling mounted outlets but have rambled on enough for one post.  I am happy to answer questions and discuss things but I don't want to blather on so long that I scare everyone away from the thread .

[Tpt life]

400 at the shop:

Every new home I worked on did this. The meter and huge panel were hung from “carriage house” garage structures and sub panels fed the house. No need for any hardware hanging from the house that way. 400 was never dedicated to the shop only. 

[gee-dub]

2 hours ago, Chestnut said:

You can only run 1 dust collector and 1 tool at a time.Worst case that's not even 40 amps. There is plenty of room for AC, lights, stereo, and a TV.

I always scratched my head when some of those youtube shops put in 400 amp services....

Yep, My previous shop ran on a 50 or 60 amp breaker . . . apparently I'm starting to forget.  That was DC, tool and all lights.  Never had a problem.  I will have HVAC in the new shop which I have never spoiled myself with before.  Load calcs put us at 100 with a growth margin.  Real world consumption at a given moment . . . much less .

[Chestnut]

2 hours ago, Mark J said:

On a more serious note @gee-dub, how many 240V circuits will you have?  I am under the impression that code limits each circuit to one receptacle.  

This is highly variable as regional codes vary greatly. NEC as of 2017 states that any branch circuit greater than 30 amps can only have 1 receptacle. If you have a 240 20 amp branch the way I was reading the NEC you could have multiple receptacles.

1 hour ago, gee-dub said:

P.s. I didn't even touch on the GFCI requirements for ceiling mounted outlets but have rambled on enough for one post.  I am happy to answer questions and discuss things but I don't want to blather on so long that I scare everyone away from the thread

Not sure i want to know about this. Codes in CA have to be vastly different from my region with that whole earthquake thing you have to deal with...

[Mark J]

3 hours ago, gee-dub said:

...so in August of 2024 when I want to install my first Star Trek Universal Replicator....

You know that replicator is going to run on 480V .

[gee-dub]

1 hour ago, Mark J said:

You know that replicator is going to run on 480V .

Darn . . . Coffee on the monitor, again 

[Chet]

5 hours ago, Mark J said:

You know that replicator is going to run on 480V

I thought it ran on Dilithium Crystals.

[wtnhighlander]

With a 1.2 gigawatt rating and powered by organic waste, a.k.a. sawdust, this shoukd do the trick....

[gee-dub]

Final inspection complete.  The next phase begins:

2100

[pkinneb]

Congrats! That's always a good feeling. Now the fun begins

 

[Coop]

Are you going to do any of the work yourself other than owner, operator, supervisor? 

[gee-dub]

First steps, sweep up after the contractors, vacuum the control-joint cuts in the slab and seal the cuts and the slab-to-bottom-plate joints. If I get that done today I will feel pretty good as it is several hundred feet of caulking. 

 

[Coop]

And the contractor will be doing everything else? 

[gee-dub]

16 minutes ago, Coop said:

And the contractor will be doing everything else? 

Nope.  It's the Glenn Show from here on out.  I am thinking on having the drywall and insulation done for me though.  That is one job that brings me little joy ;-)

I did take my first shot at the control joint sealing.

Came out OK.

I have a little bit more to do . . .

 

[Coop]

And those boys can put up the rock and tape and float between your morning coffee and your evening cocktail of choice. I’ve tried it before and there is no amount of paint that will make it look like I didn’t do it! 

[gee-dub]

LOL, I had a similar experience when a 20-something kid had a room up, and taped before I could blink.  I swore I would never do drywall again.  Maybe I should stand by my word.

[Chet]

47 minutes ago, gee-dub said:

I am thinking on having the drywall and insulation done for me though.

I think I would rather do insulation and sheet rock before I spent, how many hours did you say, on my hands and knees with a caulk gun. 

Are you going to do any ply or T1-11 over the sheet rock so you don't always have to be looking on the floor for your stud witness marks?

[Coop]

Have you ever tried to support even a 4x8 piece of sheetrock with your head while screwing it into joists that are where you hope they are supposed to be? Even with a tripod, it ain’t fun by any means. The walls are the easy part! There are guys that do this for a living and I for one, are not about to take away from that

[Dave H]

I was working on a big tilt up job before we could start forming up the tilt up walls we had 40,000 sq ft of control joints. we had this little girl apprentice carpenter I put her and another kid on calking duty. The girl stole a desk chair out of the office shack she sat on that chair and she was scooting along on that chair hauling ass calking those joints about 3 times as fast as the other kid. We had her finish out the rest of it, she was one of the last people to get laid of of that job, she turned out to be one our best hands.

[Dave H]

Coop that's why they make sheet rock lifts. With a sheet rock lift I can hang 4x12 rock by myself that's how I hung the ceiling in my 36x36 shop it's a cake walk with a lift.