Popular Post Coop Posted December 28, 2017 Popular Post Report Share Posted December 28, 2017 And the impact drivers makes it darn tuff for my wife to change the tire if we have a flat. 1 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chet Posted December 28, 2017 Report Share Posted December 28, 2017 24 minutes ago, C Shaffer said: The first one you break should caution you about use of impact drivers to set torque. I don’t think it should be done. When I get new tires put on, I pretty much drive straight home and re-torque them properly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chestnut Posted December 28, 2017 Report Share Posted December 28, 2017 24 minutes ago, C Shaffer said: I had to drill a stud that was over torqued by a highly reputable shop that replaced my clutch. There will always be a new guy assigned to menial tasks like re-installing wheels. The first one you break should caution you about use of impact drivers to set torque. I don’t think it should be done. Many disagree. https://www.amazon.com/Neiko-02450A-Limiting-Extension-5-Piece/dp/B000IX3BSM/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1514480775&sr=8-3&keywords=torque+sticks I feel like these are controversial as well but my high school shop teacher showed them to us. I bought a set and checked each one with a calibrated torque wrench and they were all within 3-5%. Every time i change from summer to winter tires i use them beats having to set a torque wrench. I would be highly surprised to learn that many tire shops use torque wrenches to install tires. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tpt life Posted December 28, 2017 Report Share Posted December 28, 2017 22 minutes ago, Chestnut said: ... they were all within 3-5%. Every time i change from summer to winter tires i use them beats having to set a torque wrench. I would be highly surprised to learn that many tire shops use torque wrenches to install tires. I know. Your vehicle, you will do it right. Maybe the tech grabbed the wrong one? Maybe he could not find them? Maybe he trusted his feel? Setting a torque wrench requires a step that makes you make a choice. When warping a brake rotor is a risk, I find it worth it. That said, I doubt my mechanic friend uses one very often. I have seen his high dollar set like that. I just wish I had found out when they were open so that their tech would learn from the drill out. FWIW, it is impossible to overtorque with the factory supplied lug wrench. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chestnut Posted December 28, 2017 Report Share Posted December 28, 2017 3 minutes ago, C Shaffer said: I know. Your vehicle, you will do it right. Maybe the tech grabbed the wrong one? Maybe he could not find them? Maybe he trusted his feel? Setting a torque wrench requires a step that makes you make a choice. When warping a brake rotor is a risk, I find it worth it. That said, I doubt my mechanic friend uses one very often. I have seen his high dollar set like that. I just wish I had found out when they were open so that their tech would learn from the drill out. FWIW, it is impossible to overtorque with the factory supplied lug wrench. Have you used torque sticks before? Honestly i don't think they are something that automotive shops have on had or use. I've poked around a few shops and have never seen them. I've mentioned them to mechanics who call them black magic and would never touch them. To me the material science is simple and it's proven technology that is the underpinnings of far more critical things than lug nuts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tpt life Posted December 28, 2017 Report Share Posted December 28, 2017 8 minutes ago, Chestnut said: Have you used torque sticks before? Honestly i don't think they are something that automotive shops have on had or use. I've poked around a few shops and have never seen them. I've mentioned them to mechanics who call them black magic and would never touch them. To me the material science is simple and it's proven technology that is the underpinnings of far more critical things than lug nuts. Torque sticks were designed to under torque within ten or so ft lbs. I think my friend had a count of how many hits on an impact he expected to hear. I have always seen them followed up with something else after. I have never seen them relied on when the shops liability is concerned. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chestnut Posted December 28, 2017 Report Share Posted December 28, 2017 18 minutes ago, C Shaffer said: when the shops liability is concerned. I'm sure the liability of over torquing is less than the liability of under torquing, now that i think about it. Replacing a stud is a heck of a lot cheaper than having to pay out an injury claim or dare i say worse. The interesting part is the tech for the torque wrench is the same as the stick it's all spring steel. I kind of agree on the liability side that they are risky but i'd rather see one on an impact wrench in a guys hand than nothing between the gun and the socket. I used to check them all on my cars but then got lazy after each one was right around where it should be. I will say you are right they probably aren't the best way and i'm not right because it's my car. I do a low of wrong things with my car, like put the grippier tires on the front. The interesting debate is how inaccurate all torquing devices are and how a proper torque can only really be measure with bolt stretch. Too many factors can cause issues with torque like friction between the lug and the wheel and friction on the threads. All of that added up will really make you think about the whole accuracy thing. Interestingly enough the head studs on my engine are torque to yield so the exact holding force is based on yielded steel which is easier to predict and calculate. It also eliminates the need for an accurate torque wrench but the procedure needs to be strictly followed. I should say i'm not trying to change an opinion just having a conversation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tpt life Posted December 28, 2017 Report Share Posted December 28, 2017 37 minutes ago, Chestnut said: I should say i'm not trying to change an opinion just having a conversation. Understood, same from my end. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coop Posted December 29, 2017 Report Share Posted December 29, 2017 You know how, when you see a child cry or a woman abused, you get sad yourself. Well, I’m freezing my ass off watching y’alls temps drop. One guy they showed in Erie was using a snow plow in -12* temps. There’s plenty of land down here for sale, just saying! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Chestnut Posted December 29, 2017 Popular Post Report Share Posted December 29, 2017 9 minutes ago, K Cooper said: You know how, when you see a child cry or a woman abused, you get sad yourself. Well, I’m freezing my ass off watching y’alls temps drop. One guy they showed in Erie was using a snow plow in -12* temps. There’s plenty of land down here for sale, just saying! You should join us. There is an odd beauty to -15 degree weather. There are no smells and everything seems quieter. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodenskye Posted December 29, 2017 Report Share Posted December 29, 2017 You opinion and your body's opinion of cold change as you get older. I used to never get cold, now I have to layer. This morning I went out to get the garbage cans and with the low temps my first thought was damn it's cold. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Tpt life Posted December 29, 2017 Popular Post Report Share Posted December 29, 2017 This won’t happen until well below freezing. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chestnut Posted December 29, 2017 Report Share Posted December 29, 2017 That's awesome what is that called? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tpt life Posted December 29, 2017 Report Share Posted December 29, 2017 Light pillars, frost pillars, ice pillars...something like that is official and the rest colloquial. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtnhighlander Posted December 29, 2017 Report Share Posted December 29, 2017 9 hours ago, C Shaffer said: FWIW, it is impossible to overtorque with the factory supplied lug wrench. Speak for yourself! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post treeslayer Posted December 29, 2017 Popular Post Report Share Posted December 29, 2017 And snow “squeaks” when you walk on it at 10 below zero. The bottom of your tires freeze flat till you drive on them a while. Diesel fuel turns to jello. But there is some things that I really like, the quiet, things slow down. If you’re prepared things can be pretty awesome. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post wtnhighlander Posted December 29, 2017 Popular Post Report Share Posted December 29, 2017 55 minutes ago, Chestnut said: You should join us. There is an odd beauty to -15 degree weather. There are no smells and everything seems quieter. That's because your nostrils and ears freeze shut. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tpt life Posted December 29, 2017 Report Share Posted December 29, 2017 5 minutes ago, wtnhighlander said: Speak for yourself! I’ll shoot a pic tomorrow. The wrench supplied is the reason I now carry a breaker bar in the trunk. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chestnut Posted December 29, 2017 Report Share Posted December 29, 2017 They supply wrenches with cars? Huh never knew that i just always had a tire iron in my pickup. That and a jack and at least 2 spare tires at any 1 time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtnhighlander Posted December 29, 2017 Report Share Posted December 29, 2017 2 minutes ago, C Shaffer said: I’ll shoot a pic tomorrow. The wrench supplied is the reason I now carry a breaker bar in the trunk. Might be a different wrench style supplied with different vehicles. My truck came with a forged steel wrench nearly 20" long. Given my personal best deadlift, I'm pretty sure I could break a stud. At least, a few years ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coop Posted December 29, 2017 Report Share Posted December 29, 2017 38 minutes ago, Chestnut said: That's awesome what is that called? Too friggin cold! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
treeslayer Posted December 29, 2017 Report Share Posted December 29, 2017 And a pee in the woods at 10 below is an experience ! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardA Posted December 29, 2017 Report Share Posted December 29, 2017 Just don't add yellow ice cubes to your whiskey. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marmotjr Posted December 29, 2017 Report Share Posted December 29, 2017 On 12/27/2017 at 9:35 AM, Chestnut said: They change it out for free too. Changing a car battery is usually easier than adjusting a plane blade. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wdwerker Posted December 29, 2017 Report Share Posted December 29, 2017 " Watch out where the Huskies go and don't you eat that yellow snow ! " the late great Frank Zappa. I'm just grateful that the low today was only 37. Dry and the sun was out , I hate snow and ice ! Out in Colorado it's fun to play in but that kind of weather turns the roads into a nightmare here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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