So is face jointing long boards not needed?


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Bad idea. If you happen to have extremely flat boards its possible. But relying on hardware or glue joints to make boards flat is a recipe for disaster in glue-up and after.

The longer the board the more power it has to bend out of shape over time. Face jointing makes it flat in a "resting" state if you will.

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It certainly depends on how flat your lumber is to start with.  You can flatten boards a few different way if they won't fit on your jointer.

If they're pretty flat, you can skip plane and then plane the other side.

You can build a sled for the planer and shim the board - plane flat - remove from the sled and plane the opposite side

You could do this same operation on a drum sander but, that's not really what a drum sander is for

You can do some hand planing to make a good reference surface for the planer

You could build a router sled and flatten with the router

 

And, I'm sure there's some others that I didn't mention.  I recently did a project where I had a pretty flat board to start with so, just skip planed and then planed the other side flat.

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27 minutes ago, Minnesota Steve said:

 

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^ Wrong! ^

On face jointing i'm going to make the arguement of it depends.

Does it matter that the 1/4" panels that i glued into a cabinet door are bowed slightly? Nope they are going to get held flat by the groove. Would i want a 6/4 table top to be anything other than perfectly flat heck no that's just asking for problems.

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This is why having a wide jointer is best. Not having to make decisions like this. If the board looks pretty straight, 99% of the world ignores it and it will most likely warp/twist/cause SOME sort of issue down the road because it isn't flat. Might not be in the next 5 years.. but it will cause someone grief.

Having a wide jointer saves the question of "is it flat enough". I've had 8/4 boards that looked pretty damn flat. Marked them up with chalk or pencil, ran the over the jointer and wow... not very flat at all.

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He's even got a monster jointer.  What is that, 12 inches or is it 16? 

It seemed pretty clear when he was doing the glue up that the boards weren't flat...just forced together with the beadlocks.  Whatev.  He makes so much money from the tubes that he probably doesn't have to keep his customers happy (assuming this was a commission)

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You guys are looking at this...

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...and thinking he's a hack for not face jointing and planing the whole thing down to half an inch thick to deal with a slight bow in one of the boards.  I dare you to point out any twist in any of those boards that needs to be jointed out.  I would have done the same thing, minus not bothering with the beadlock stuff.

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I find his channel pretty interesting as he works in a lot of different mediums. Don't think he ever claimed to be a "fine" woodworker, but more of a practical one. The guy seems to be really creative.

he mentioned In a  previous video that he wanted to start a business selling farm house tables, so this one may have been a prototype or just a way to generate interest for people to buy his stuff.

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8 hours ago, krtwood said:

..and thinking he's a hack for not face jointing and planing the whole thing down to half an inch thick to deal with a slight bow in one of the boards.  I dare you to point out any twist in any of those boards that needs to be jointed out.  I would have done the same thing, minus not bothering with the beadlock stuff.

Na i think he's a hack because he's a hack

from left to right boards #2 and #6

It's not so much for me that the table is going to explode, it's more that the glue joints are going to be stressed from day one and might separate. How do you get a good edge when you have no reference surface? Wasn't there someone that just had this happen on here?

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1 hour ago, Chestnut said:

Na i think he's a hack because he's a hack

from left to right boards #2 and #6

It's not so much for me that the table is going to explode, it's more that the glue joints are going to be stressed from day one and might separate. How do you get a good edge when you have no reference surface? Wasn't there someone that just had this happen on here?

I'm confused..Why is he a hack?

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I know this is a bit of a hijack, but I'd never heard of this beadlock system before.  It looks like a poor man's domino to me.  I can see that it isn't as efficient or quick, but otherwise seems like a reasonable loose tenon system, at a significant cost savings.  Am I missing something here?

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