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I fetched the morning paper this morning barefooted with a temp of 39* but it didn’t take me long to get back inside! I remember about 10 years ago in SD, pheasant hunting, there was snow on the parking lot at the mom and pop motel and I walked from my room to the office to get a cup of coffee bare footed. My fellow comrades thought I had too much to drink from the night before and were reluctant to hunt beside me. It’s from my waist up that cold goes straight thru me. 

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3 hours ago, Mark J said:

I wonder how much longer the Domino patent will be in force?

~ 2007 was their first introduction. Patents in the US expire in 20 years but who knows if parents from other countries are longer or different. There are other methods they can take to extend that time frame as well eg sawstop. They can make incremental changes or tweaks and patent that to cover the same product for a longer time.

I don't really find it to be a fruitful conversation. Biscuit joiners that copied the original, had a lot looser tolerances and didn't work nearly as well. To get a biscuit jointer that works as well as the original it cost near what a domino does. If a company copies the domino and it's cheaper it's likely not going to be as accurate or work as well EG triton doweling joiner. There are good alternatives to the domino on the market right now the catch is they are just as expensive or more.

https://www.timberwolftools.com/mafell-dd40p-duo-dowel-system

 

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1 hour ago, Chestnut said:

~ 2007 was their first introduction. Patents in the US expire in 20 years but who knows if parents from other countries are longer or different. There are other methods they can take to extend that time frame as well eg sawstop. They can make incremental changes or tweaks and patent that to cover the same product for a longer time.

I don't really find it to be a fruitful conversation. Biscuit joiners that copied the original, had a lot looser tolerances and didn't work nearly as well. To get a biscuit jointer that works as well as the original it cost near what a domino does. If a company copies the domino and it's cheaper it's likely not going to be as accurate or work as well EG triton doweling joiner. There are good alternatives to the domino on the market right now the catch is they are just as expensive or more.

https://www.timberwolftools.com/mafell-dd40p-duo-dowel-system

 

Drew is pretty much on the mark.  You don't get quality and accuracy on the cheap.

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1 hour ago, Chestnut said:

There are good alternatives to the domino on the market right now the catch is they are just as expensive or more.

https://www.timberwolftools.com/mafell-dd40p-duo-dowel-system

 

IIRC, Mafell in general is a more expensive line of gear than Festool. But then, they have things like the self-driving track saw: https://produkte.mafell.de/en/sawing/portable-panel-saw-system/

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